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  1. Peter Saint-Andre
    November 25, 2024 @ 7:23 pm

    This is a big topic, which spurs numerous thoughts in my brain…

    First, are we sure that U.S. electoral politics was all so much better in a former golden age? We see today’s failings right in front of us, but the past can be obscure unless one reads a lot of history.

    Second, are we sure that folks these days are more moved by rumor and falsehood than people were in the past? (Note: I prefer these words to “misinformation”, which strikes me as a somewhat questionable concept; see the incisive analyses by Dan Williams at his “Conspicuous Cognition” Substack.)

    Third, as Jefferson, Tocqueville, and many others observed long ago, the most local level is the true home for democracy – i.e., “people power” = actual citizens rather than their so-called representatives holding and exercising the power. Most of our modern towns and counties and even neighborhoods (as in planned developments) are too big for the kind of democracy that used to transpire in, say, New England town meetings. There are Dunbar number effects here.

    Fourth, I strenuously disagree that the personal is the political; indeed, I’m of the opinion that seeing things that way has led us deeply astray, and that we’d all be better off if we didn’t perceive family, friendships, food, music, art, work, play, and everything else under the sun primarily in the light of politics. YMMV, of course.

    I have more thoughts, but that’s enough for the moment. 🙂

    • Jackie
      November 26, 2024 @ 10:30 am

      Thanks for your thoughts, Peter. I imagine we both have many more thoughts on the subject!

      I don’t view any previous time in US politics as “a golden age.” Some of our current issues were absent (gerrymandering is first documented in the early 19th century), but others that were pretty awful were common.

      The word “lie” is more accurate, but it’s one that is rarely used, even when warranted. So that’s why I viewed it as mis- or disinformation when the R campaign denied that Project 2025 was its roadmap, then admitted after the election that it is their agenda.

      I agree that “Dunbar number” effects are an issue; but they’re pervasive worldwide. I’m not seeing how it’s somehow different or special in the US.

      Politics as decision-making among people was personal long before laws and electoral politics entered the picture. I think it was a good step forward when people started to push back against laws that prescribed and proscribed certain personal choices. What term or phrase would you prefer when women’s right to bodily autonomy and fundamental health care is destroyed by states’ laws? For legislated racial segregation and discrimination? Or when a couple’s right to marry is recognized only when their dyad is F-M? Some state governments are outright ignoring parts of the First Amendment, mandating bibles and prayer in public schools. How can the personal and political be separated in such cases?

  2. Peter Saint-Andre
    November 26, 2024 @ 1:56 pm

    Hi Jackie! I think we might disagree on what it means to say “the personal is the political”. At https://philosopher.coach/2023/07/22/the-siren-song-of-systemic-solutions/ I quoted the original essay by Carol Hanisch, in which she wrote: “There are no personal solutions at this time. There is only collective action for a collective solution.” By contrast, you seem to be saying that the political realm can have significant impacts on the personal realm. There’s no doubt about that, but I’m not sure that’s what Carol Hanisch was talking about…

    • Jackie
      November 27, 2024 @ 9:08 am

      Thank you for pointing to your post, Peter. I’ve read it and followed its link to your other post, which included a link to Hanisch’s full essay. I’ve not yet read that but intend to. I wasn’t aware of Hanisch’s essay before, so it wasn’t part of my context in making that statement.

      • Peter Saint-Andre
        November 27, 2024 @ 5:53 pm

        I’ll be curious to hear what you think of the original essay. I might need to read it again, too.

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